BH OK. Let's take things in a different direction again. Your 1986 Indy 500 win was so dramatic and emotional. Jim Trueman, the man who helped you through much of your career, was watching from pit lane and everyone knew that cancer was due to take him soon. Take us through that last restart, lining up second behind Kevin Cogan (BELOW: Rahal in No. 3 and Cogan in No. 7) – what you felt you had to make happen and what you felt was on the line there.
BR Well, even though we all knew Jim's situation, throughout that month I never felt any pressure from this being Jim's final 500, like something hanging over me the whole time.
I think I led about 60 laps of the race, and I know Rick [Mears] led a lot, but Kevin had only led maybe 10. Our car had been handling pretty well all race long, and although we'd had to make little changes, it was pretty good. Kevin, on the other hand, had been doing a high-wire act, way up in the gray almost all the way around and almost hitting the wall on corner exits for about 10 laps. There's no question my car was handling better than his and I always had felt I was pretty good on restarts. I still drill into the drivers today that there's no time easier to pass someone than on a restart.
BH Yeah, I recall you telling me that. And you're right; there's no easier time.
BR Right, so you need to be on your toes to take full advantage. I was ready for what was effectively a whole new race. People say I jumped him, but when the green was waved, he started to scrub up toward the wall on the exit of Turn 4 and my car didn't so I had the momentum on him. I was just thinking of winning, not winning because of Jim. This was my chance to win the Indy 500. We had a very crude low-fuel light in those days that probably gave us more angst than help. When it would flash, you wouldn't know if you had one gallon left or 10. Those last couple laps, it was on solid, so going down the back straight after I passed Cogan, I was like a jockey, yelling at this car, “Don't leave me, don't leave me!” If I'd had a crop, I'd have been out there beating on it. But we had a great car – I set the fastest lap of the race on the last lap – and it won the race that day.
I still don't remember the moment of crossing the finish line. You've got so many thoughts going through your mind, and it was very emotional. I got out of the car and there was Jim, and he looked like hell. I felt bad for everybody on the team, because they never really got a chance to celebrate in the way we would have if the situation had been normal. Afterward, Jim sat in his bus, some of his close friends around him, sipping a beer, and everyone was happy but also sad. He was a shadow of his former self, and everyone knew the end was coming. A real bittersweet day.
BH I was sitting at home watching the race on TV, and I've got to say, it was one of those moments where TV really did it right. They conveyed the background story, the way the race unfolded and the director cutting to show Jim, and so on. Sometimes it's annoying how they cut away to other people in the pits, or whatever, but that was different. You were already an IndyCar star, but this launched you in a different way, there was a personal connection.
BR Yeah, if Hollywood wrote a script like that, everyone would have said, “Well that would never happen,” but it was a genuine case of truth being stranger than fiction. And I'll never forget Doug Shierson, who both Jim and I were friends with and who I'd driven for in the past, came up to me a couple weeks later and said, “You know what? None of us realized that 32 of us didn't stand a chance that day. It was like the good Lord ordained that was going to happen.”
And you're right about how that win affected me. I believe in every person's life, there is one crucial point at which you go on, or you stay still. And after Indy, my career just went straight up and I went on to win the championship that year and also the following year. And after Indy, Kevin's career, which had generally been very positive up to then, was to all intents and purposes over. So that was a major tipping point; life changed for me from there on out.
BH OK, got to ask: besides me, who was your favorite guy who ever drove for you?
BR Besides you, huh?! Hmmm…I'm not sure I have a particular favorite because they're all characters. There's one guy who I wish I'd never had anything to do with, but I'm not saying who it is. But everyone else brought their own attributes and assets to make them different. You won races for us, did a great job for us, in fact; Max Papis won races for us and has a personality bigger than life; Kenny Brack was the Iceman, won a lot for us…. It was great to see what Danica did with us and to be so instrumental in her career. It was great to grab Ryan Hunter-Reay out of nowhere, when no one was giving him a shot, and have him win Watkins Glen for us.
One of my favorites, a real class act, was Michel Jourdain Jr (RIGHT). In 2003, he could have been CART champion. He won three races, got robbed at Long Beach when the gearbox broke. So the short answer to your question is a cop-out: I don't think there was any favorite. All of you brought something unique and positive. The drivers we've had, for the most part, were really class acts and that was reflective of the team.
BH Yeah, it was a great team to drive for, and that era in CART was an amazing experience. When you look at the depth of the field during your era, it must give you a lot of pride to have come out on top in the championship three times in the space of seven years.
BR Absolutely, absolutely. Take 1986: we won six races that year, the other five coming after Indy. The first part of the year, we were kinda nowhere – didn't finish at Long Beach, didn't finish in Phoenix, had no real points to speak of. And '87 was very similar, but we won four races including the [non-championship] Marlboro Challenge. Then, in 1992, we won four races again and should have won the Marlboro Challenge but for CART officiating at the time. But, importantly, there were a lot of high finishes, too. If I didn't win, I was second or third, and that is how you win championships.
BH So, the Dario Franchitti of your era.
BR I have a lot of respect for Dario. He's a good guy and a hell of a driver. He makes it look easy. You look at Scott Dixon, and he's all elbows in the car, saving his life the whole time, whereas Dario is very smooth. He reminds me a lot of Al Jr. who was always very smooth, and one hell of a racecar driver. He was a much better racer than qualifier, so if Al was on the front row, the rest of us felt we might as well forget it because we knew he'd just be gone!
I had the privilege of racing against a lot of great drivers; Emerson Fittipaldi, Rick Mears, Al Unser Sr. and Junior, Michael Andretti and, of course, Mario…. He was a guy I'd watched as a teenager and so to find myself racing against him was really something. I regarded him as a yardstick; when I beat him to win, it felt extra special. One of the best races I ever drove was at Meadowlands in '87. It was extremely hot – 95 degrees – and humid too. I had an 11-second lead over Mario and a yellow came out with 10 or 15 laps to go, and of course, that meant he was suddenly right up under my rear wing. When we got the green, I drove away and won by 10 seconds. If that had been against other drivers, I'd have felt a lot of satisfaction, of course, but not as much as I did for beating Mario. I considered that he set the standard.
Bob has always loved the history of our sport, and I think that's very evident when he speaks of fellow greats like Mears or Andretti. And, like the Racer2Racer interviews I did with those great names, there was much more from our conversation that did not make the cut. I am always left at the end of these conversations with thoughts of 100 more questions I'd like to ask, but maybe it is best to always save a little bit for next time. -Bryan Herta
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